– Transcript 153
R: Tony’s writing something before I say anything. (laughter) ST: Putting my name and the date. That’s the truth.
R: He anticipates the words before I speak.
Well hi there. (Hi ya. Hi there.) It’s good to be with you once more. Most of you believe you have a free choice. Whether or not to come here or not. But I tell you there is no free choice. You are compelled to come here. (students laugh) SV: It’s true, it’s true.
R: This is where you’re supposed to be or you wouldn’t be here.
SH: I live here.
R: You think you live here. (students laugh) You really think you have a choice in the matter. It’s an ego blaster when I tell you that you have no choice and everything you do is preordained. Every movement you make. This really destroys the ego when you think of it. For there is no thing that you do in your life that is not preordained.
So for you to be here means there is something within you that has been working for centuries to put you where you’re supposed to be today. But again most of you come here with the impression that you want to be enlightened, you want to awaken. Yet you don’t want to give up the stuff that is keeping you from being awakened. So the whole thing is very paradoxical isn’t it?
On one hand you can’t help being here, on the other hand you’re here because you have a reason that is not even valid for you being here. You want to get rid of your problems or get rid of your illnesses or get rid of your poverty or get rid of your spouse or get rid of something or add something to your life. This again is the wrong reason for being here. There is no reason for being here. You’re just here. There is really no purpose to it.
You think there is a purpose. But there is no purpose.
Remember your so-called physical life is similar to the life of the universe. The universe appears to be here. Yet in truth it has no purpose. It has no existence, it has no substance. The same with you. You think you’re here for a purpose yet you’re not here for any purpose at all. As a matter of fact you’re not even here. You appear to be here. Something appears to be here.
Yet there is only one. One ultimate reality. The one ultimate reality is the substratum of all your existence. What you’re doing is playing games on the ultimate reality. You appear to come out of the ultimate reality as a person. You appear to exist for so many years and then you appear to disappear. All this is taking place on the ultimate reality. Yet the ultimate reality never changes it’s always the same. The ultimate reality is all pervading, omnipresence, you are That. You are the ultimate reality. So you are not the appearance that sits here. The appearance that talks. The appearance that goes through your life. That is not you at all.
Waking up or being realized is just knowing this truth. Knowing it 24 hours a day.
I’m glad you agree with me. (students laugh) Whenever the lamp agrees with me it shuts on and off. (laughter)
The ultimate reality is none other than yourself. When you achieve this there is everlasting peace, tranquility. There is unalloyed happiness. There is complete bliss. There is total joy. Just the way you are and just the way things are.
Most people believe that when you awaken things will change in your life. The things do not change, you change. The things remain the same but now you see them differently. You see them as a false expression. They’re neither good nor bad. But you are no longer that. You have become the ultimate reality. Therefore the world no longer presses in on you with it’s bad things and good things and all kinds of things. You have risen above that.
It’s just like a person being locked in a dungeon for forty years. And they take good care of their place in the dungeon. They sweep the floors, make the bed, know what time they’re going to be brought food. And their life becomes the depth of the dungeon.
One day they try the door, the door of the dungeon, the door has been open all the time and they’re able out walk out, totally free. If they would’ve tried the door thirty years ago they would’ve been able to walk out also. But instead they accepted their fate as being locked in the dungeon.
And so it is with most of us. Our dungeon, our prison is our lifestyle. The certain life we’re living that we refuse to give up. The belief system we’ve got that we’ve had for centuries, limited, shallow. This is our dungeon. This is our gaol. Yet we don’t know this.
We think we’re living a normal life. Just like the person in the dungeon was attached to the things in the dungeon because they’ve been there for forty years. They really hate to leave, to go out in the fresh air. They become accustomed to where they are. So it is with us.
We’re accustomed to the things we possess. We’re accustomed to certain people we associate with. We’re accustomed with the work we do and with the so-called fun and entertainment we have in our lives. Yet this is all limiting but we don’t believe it’s limiting.
We therefore go through certain experiences, good and bad and we will not walk away from these things.
This is what I’m referring to when I say, “Many of you come here to awaken yet you’ve got all kinds of stuff going on inside of you.” Habit patterns that you think are normal. You have to scrutinize yourself, really look at yourself what you really do daily.
Watch the way you act daily or should I say watch the way you react and you will see
what I’m talking about. Watch how you react to person, place or thing. Observe yourself.
Look deeply at yourself. See what you’re holding onto.
Again in order to be totally free you must let go of everything. I mean mentally of course. Remember when I tell you, “You must let go of everything.” I’m not referring that you must walk away from your home and your family and your work and your environment or anything else like this. These things must be given up mentally. Mentally you must disassociate yourself. Yet your body will continue doing what it has to do.
But as you begin to disassociate yourself mentally the mind will become weaker and weaker. The mind will begin to dissolve, to become quiet and peaceful and will rest in the heart center. When that happens to you the I will become evident to you. The real I.
You will begin to feel the real I and you will know that you are not the body you are not the mind.
This is a very high place to go but it’s not the ultimate truth. The ultimate truth is when the I itself goes into the heart and you lose your individuality and you become all pervading. Yet you appear to be a body walking around the earth doing things but you know deep down in your heart that there is nobody and there is no doer.
This all sounds very complicated to some of you but it’s not. Your real nature is ultimate bliss, absolute reality. This is what you are right now. Right this moment this second. Only when you begin to think do you feel the I-thought or the body thought. But if you repose in the I right now this second, this moment you are the ultimate reality.
This is why you should always take time to sit in the silence and observe your thoughts inquiring, “To whom do they come?” Thoughts have absolutely nothing to do with the ultimate reality. Yet some of you think still believe and think that you will not be able to function without a mind, without thoughts, without thinking. This you must find out for yourself. You must discover this for yourself. That you do not really need a mind to think. And you will be able to function very well without a mind. Except there will no longer be a you.
True happiness only comes when the you has been transcended. Real happiness has absolutely nothing to do with physical happiness. Physical happiness is temporary. All physical happiness is temporary. No matter what happy situation you’re involved in it has to be temporary. For you’re aware that the whole world, the whole universe is temporary.
That the only thing permanent in life is change. Your everyday experiences will show you that.
Therefore when you become too physically happy you do not want to go searching for truth. You’re not interested in finding the Self or reality. This is the reason sometimes certain people seem to be suffering. For in this way they come closer to reality.
Whereas if they were not really suffering they’ll be out in the world doing all kinds of so-called happy things and this will be very temporary. But this is not always the case it depends on the individual.The more you are attached to things the more you’re going to have to suffer because you will have to give them up sooner or later. Perhaps not even in this life. Remember that your experience in this particular life is only a split second in all eternity. Therefore when a person goes through experiences and you say, “Well this person’s been an evil person all their life and they’re prosperous and they’ve got everything they want and they seem to be very happy.” You are judging by appearances.
When you understand that this life that you have right now is but a split second in eternity you will realize that life is a continuum. And the pendulum has to swing back and forth. You will go so far in your happiness and then you’ll go back the other way. The only way to get out of this trap is to awaken. This is the reason you want to awaken. Blessed is the person who has total happiness in this life and wants to awaken.
For most people if they had the things that they want and desire they would not go after the classes that teach you to awaken. Would not follow teachers that teach Advaita Vedanta. Very few are like that. This is why I share with you, “Do not allow this world to fool you.” Maya is very precise. Maya will always fool you. Everything you see in this world is Maya. The grand illusion.
The way to handle Maya is never to react to conditions. This is how you overcome Maya. This is how you become free. Maya will always present conditions to you, situations to you. Like Tom’s car blowing up on the freeway. This is the way Maya works. Tom really wanted to come to the meeting he had his heart set on it and the car blows up. It’s a cosmic joke don’t take it seriously. This is how Maya works with you. It’ll appear to give you everything you want then things begin to happen. If you did not react to Maya to begin with you would not be hurtable. And then Maya will say, “He’s found me out,” and leave you alone. That’s what awakening is. So we can say another sentence for awakening is, “When Maya leaves you alone.” When Maya stops interfering in your life. When does this happen again? When you stop reacting to person, place or thing.
You have to do the work. And yet again there is no work for you to do. You simply have to keep quiet. When you keep quiet mentally you’re not reacting. When the mind is making a lot of noise you are reacting. This is what reacting means. When the mind is very active. It makes no difference why the mind is very active. As long as the mind is very active you are completely enmeshed in Maya. Totally enmeshed in Maya. The more active the mind the more you are enmeshed in Maya.
Remember again you are in the right place where you’re supposed to be. Therefore do not say that you hate your job or you hate your environment or you wish this was like this or this was like that. Everything is just the way it’s supposed to be. If you would only see this you would awaken.
Awaken means just what it implies; “Awakening from the dream.” Just as when you are dreaming, no matter what is going on in your dream when you awaken you awaken from the whole dream not a part of it. Is a part of it still going on? The whole dream is gone, isn’t it? Every detail is gone when you awaken from your dreams. Everything that seems so real is totally gone. There is not even a little piece left. The whole dream is completely totally absolutely gone. Yet the dream seemed so real when you were dreaming.
And so it is with this state. In order for you to awaken this whole game of Maya has to be gone, disappear. You cannot have Maya and be awakened also. Everything has to go. Do not think about this. Just let it happen. If you think about it all kinds of thoughts will come and tell you all kinds of things. You will say to yourself, “Well will I be able to play tennis when I awaken? Will I be able to go to a movie?” Your in Maya again. Whenever those thoughts come to you’re enmeshed in Maya. You’re back into Maya.
There has to be a clean total awakening. Where there are no thoughts, no actions and no doing. Again the paradox of this is, you will be doing and you will appear to be acting and things will get relatively better in your life. That’s the paradox.
This is the reason I always tell you that he finite can never comprehend the infinite. For in your finite mind you are saying to yourself, “How can I be doing both? How can I not be attached to anything and yet at the same time be involved in things?” You can.
You are. You will.
This is why it takes a simple mind to awaken. When your mind is too complicated, when you’re filled with theoretical knowledge, abstract knowledge, psychological knowledge any kind of knowledge, this is what keeps you bound to Maya. Yet you keep holding on to this knowledge because you feel that if you let go of it you’ll be a fool or a vegetable. Nothing is further from this truth. The truth is that the more you give up the greater the happiness and peace that comes to you. For your very nature is happiness and peace.
Do not be concerned about what anyone else is doing. Leave everyone alone, leave people alone, leave things alone. Always realize you are in your right place. Do not strive to be in somebody else’s place. You have nothing to fight, nothing to fear. Everything is on your side. There is no thing that wants to hurt you. Keep your life simple. Do not make this teaching complicated. Do not calculate the reason behind this teaching. Leave everything alone. Awaken and be free. All is well.
(short silence)
When we sit here is the silence the force is more import… more potent than when there are words spoken. There is more happening to you in the silence than when words are spoken. I must keep reminding you of this because most of you think when I stop talking that is the end. It’s only the beginning. Before and after the words the silence becomes very potent. More than you can ever understand.
When your mind starts thinking, catch it! Don’t let it think. When the thoughts stop coming hold onto the quietness, to the silence, to the I. When the thoughts keep coming inquire, “To whom do they come?“The silence is the reality. Learn to love the silence. Treat the silence as a beautiful entity. As the divine mother, shakti. The silence is all-power. Never take the silence for granted.
(short silence)
You should start feeling the silence as God. Feel good when you are in the silence.
Up to you…up to now many of you have believed that the silence is nothing. It is a divine nothingness. Remember it’s out of the silence that everything comes. When you return to the silence this is actually a self surrender. You are surrendering your ego, your lifestyle, your karma, everything is surrendered to the silence.
Remember never believe that the silence is a waste of time. Just as we realize now that space is really consciousness. There is no such thing as space. It appears to be space but it’s really consciousness. The same way the silence is consciousness. It’s a living entity.
It’s alive, it’s reality. Therefore sit in the silence and rejoice.
The reason many of you feel the silence is nothing, doesn’t amount to much, is because you allow your thoughts to come into your head and you start thinking about your life and your experiences and your health and your body and all kinds of things.
When I’m talking you’re sort of listening to me what I’m saying and you have no time to think for a while, as long as I’m talking. But when I stop talking you have to sit in the silence then your thoughts seem to attack you. That is why it’s better to sit in silence than to hear me talk. Because at that time you can work with your thoughts. You can work with your mind. You can begin to observe the thoughts attacking you and realizing you are the Self, the silence, thoughts have no power. Enjoy the silence. Rejoice in the silence.
This is why in scripture it is written, “Be still and know that I am God.” It doesn’t say to listen to a talk and know that I am God. It doesn’t say to listen to Robert’s ramblings and know that I am God. Just be still and know that I am is God. Couldn’t be plainer than that. When you’re making a lot of noise then you are aware that you are the ego. When you are in the silence you become aware of I-am.
(short silence)
Funny how we have this backwards. We say, “I want to go and hear Robert’s talk.”
We should say, “I want to go and hear Robert’s silence. I want to watch Robert shut up.”
(students laugh) We get everything mixed up.
(short silence)
Feel free to ask any questions. (1 minute later) If you don’t ask any questions I’m going to eat all the prashad myself. (students laugh)
Glen (SG): Only one thing of all the things you talk about that I find pretty hard to reconcile.
Basing my life on what other teachers have said …unclear… and that is that this myth about everything being predestined. For some teachers say, “Well you don’t necessarily have freewill but you do have choices on this particular level,” which you can’t think. You know that there is nothing absolute in the world, it could blow up or it could continue to go on and maybe get better. They say
that there is no way of predicting the future nobody seems to truly know the future. If everything is absolutely predestined then somebody could easily find out everything that was going to happen.
R: This is the reason you have certain astrologers, certain psychics who have been able to an extent to go back into the future, go back in time, go forward in time also and predict certain things that are going to happen. The only way to get out of the predestination is by turning inwardly and not reacting to things and going into the Self. And then you will no longer bother with predestination. Predestination only exists because the world exists because you think you are a body. As soon as you realize that you are not the body there is no universe, there is no world then there is no predestination. So predestination exists only for the person who believes they are the body.
Glen (SG): What about somebody not terribly comfortable with the way their life’s been going so you know they use the proper techniques, mental techniques and everything. They make something out of their life, create something that certainly wasn’t there before…
R: This is Maya. That is all predestination. That is how it’s supposed to be. Always remember this, as long as you think you are a body, you are human and the world is real.
Karma seems to exist, reincarnation seems to exist, predestination seems to exist but when you turn within and transcend then those things do not exist. They only exist to your belief system. You believe you are a person then predestination exists.
Glen (SG): This is another example, one teacher I noticed says that for you to come into this incarnation there is this massive, massive blueprint far beyond what any computer on earth could conceive of. Possibilities in your life with an ultimate divine plan for your awakening. It doesn’t necessarily happen but within this massive blueprint there are options and there is movement within this blueprint. This overall blueprint of what the doer is to do in this particular lifetime.
R: That’s predestination. The blueprint is part of predestination. What you are to do here is part of predestination. The changes that you appear to make is predestination.
You think you are doing it yourself. But it has already been planned for you. But in truth there’s no blueprint, there’s no predestination, there’s no person. To whom is there a blueprint? To the ego. To the person who believes they are the body. That blueprint is predestination.
Jorge (SR): You just answered an age old question in the religious world Robert. I guess what you are hinting is that when we’re in the Self or in the silence there is freedom. And that the person that you…or are you saying that? (R: Yes.) …and the person maybe can - (I don’t know how to say this but) - can do things that are outside his predestination but somehow the wording of that doesn’t sound right. Can a person do things that he couldn’t do as long as the thought he was a body?
R: As long as you think… (SR: But accept there is no doer.) Any time you think there is predestination. When the mind is in the silence and stops thinking there is no predestination.
Jorge (SR): Anyway what I had was a cute little goofy insight that may not really work here but it was like, three or four hundred years ago there was a guy named John Calvin and a guy named Armenius in Switzerland. And Calvin preached predestination and it just hit me like a little joke that maybe Calvin was in his body and Armenius was self-realized. And they were both speaking the truth from their perceptions. (R: Perhaps.) Reading back to the original dilemma, if somebody finds themselves in this kind of a quandary — the basic issue - If a problem never existed if you don’t get hung up on agreeing or disagreeing with Robert, does it? (R: True.) In other words you can get into confusion by sort of anticipating that you have to agree with Robert. (R: True.) And it’s the sort of thing to do would be not to try to get into the silence and let the agreement or disagreement take care of themselves?
R: Yes that’s very good. Find out for yourself. Stay in the silence and see for whom there is predestination.
Jorge (SR): It’s hard to say that there is freedom in the state of being in the Self because it’s like you’re really surrendered. There is no you and you’re also surrendered and so there is no act of taking options like you think you do in this body state? (R: Exactly.) So it’s not - I don’t know how to call it? - It’s not, it’s surrender and maybe trusting and letting one become involved in situations that one would not have planned if they were planning out of their body-mind. But it’s not freedom in the sense of like choosing options but like trusting options. Letting them happen, huh?
R: Those are the beginning stages. When you surrender… (SR: Yeah.) …the one who surrenders disappears and there is nobody left. (SR: Yeah.) Therefore you forget about options, you forget about everything. (SR: You just see things happening that you just kind of watch your body-mind doing.) Nobody is left to watch. The watcher is also dissolved. You just are pure being. (SR: Yeah and the whole idea of freedom or non-freedom becomes irrelevant.) Exactly.
SH: There always has to be a separate you there for these questions to arise?
R: True, of course. There has to be a separate you to talk about predestination to get into all these things we’re talking about. When the separate you is gone there is nobody left to do anything. Then where does predestination come from? It doesn’t exist.
Jorge (SR): To a person observing the self-realized person may probably would say, “What a free person.” But for a person who is self-realized I guess what you’re saying is they don’t even know that they’re planning anything, nothings been planned. (R: Exactly.) SG: Robert what is the state that you say was a very high state in which you know yourself as the I and hence that is the state just before the I is pushed into the heart and dissolves. What would the state be called?
R: You can call it nirvikalpa samadhi. Where you are aware at times that you are the I, then you come out of it. And then you become aware of it again and you come out of it. For when the I stays in the heart and never comes out again. When the I remains in the heart that is sahaja samadhi where you are aware 24 hours a day. And you’re no longer a part of any heart or any system whatsoever.
SH: Is that your condition sahaja samadhi?
R: I don’t have any condition. (laughter) (SH: I know there is no you to have a condition. Nonetheless you just described the state and called something sahaja samadhi.)
That’s what I say. (SH: Yeah. Is that where you’re hanging out?) I can’t say. (SH: There is no you but is that what’s occurring?) Who is to say?
SV: Henry you’re not going to get any answer to that, forget it. (students laugh) R: If I say that I’m hanging out in sahaja samadhi there is an I hanging out. (SH: Yeah well… (students laugh) …forget it.) These words are just explanation for nothing.
SB: Robert this is a little terrifying to realize that the body-mind doesn’t really want realization. That the body-mind’s only purpose is to its own fulfillment. Its own self-fulfillment. (R: Why is it terrifying?) Because it’s like it just explodes all the wants of the body and the whole purpose of who we are, who the ego is. It’s like it cuts through everything to realize that the body-mind is our own worst enemy. Like I, I who I think I am, my whole life of I is the enemy. The ego, I that’s the enemy. It’s like to realize that is shattering. Because there is nothing left to help the search anymore.
R: That’s the way you see it now. But when it actually happens it’s not terrifying at all. (SB: Robert, from the point of view of the ego I, it’s absolutely destructive.) There is no ego to destroy. There never was an ego to begin with. So what actually happens is total happiness and peace. Because what you thought was the ego was really the I-am. Pure awareness.
(SB: In other words all the purposes that the body-mind is active is absolutely invalid and has no value whatsoever.) True. (SB: And that’s really from the relative point of view, that’s really a shattering blow to know that it all has to go.) Why should it be shattering when you realize that it never existed to begin with. Even though if you realize it intellectually. It shouldn’t be shattering, it shouldn’t be frightening. You just realize, tell yourself all this time I believed I was an ego and now I know I’m not an ego.
Jorge (SR): But what forced us into creating one? (R: What’s that Jorge?) What forced us to create this ego?
R: What force creates the ego? (SR: Yeah.) No force. (SR: Why then…?) Because there is no ego. (SR: If we had no ego we were born as the Self. Why did we have to create this outer Maya trappings of ego to cover up that silence from the Self?) Ask yourself, “Who created all this, who did this?” You never were an ego. There never was time a time when you created anything. It’s just an illusion that makes you think you’re doing this thing. That you have to shatter the ego, that you have to have an ego or do anything with your ego at all. You were never an ego and you will never be an ego.
Maya is like the water in the mirage. Ego is the mirage. You’re hypnotized believing that you are an ego and you have to shatter the ego where in truth you never were an ego and there is nothing for you to shatter. You’re totally free right now. But what you’re doing is you’re holding onto the ego by thinking you have to shatter it. Identify with the freedom. (SR: Why do we hold onto it?) Ask yourself. It didn’t exist to begin with and nobody holds onto anything. But yet you appear to be holding onto it. So find out why by going within. (SR: Does each person have their own reason?) (Robert laughs) Each person who believes they are an ego has their ego life, they’re living the ego life of various kinds. So each persons ego is living what their life is about. (SR: What comes to me right now is it’s the fear of becoming one with all of life and losing…) Your individuality? (SR: Right.) You never had individuality to begin with. Therefore when it happens it’s not at all like you think it is. You’ll be home free like you’re supposed to be. (SR: Yeah but I’m afraid to be home without me.) (students laugh)
SH: Good point.
R: That’s the way you feel now. (laughter continues) But when it actually happens you won’t feel that way. (SB: Everybody wants to get to heaven but nobody wants to die to get there.) (laughs) That’s a good point. (SB: They want realization but they want the ego to have the realization.)
Jorge (SR): How can you enjoy it without an ego? (SK: That’s a point.) R: You’d be surprised.
SL: Kind of on the same lines of the question that you asked. They say that God created man in the universe to amuse himself is that sort of a stairway into an answer to your question?
(SR: This is my frustration and torture.) But remember you are God too. So Maya or man and the world was created by us who are all God to amuse ourselves. (SR: Sounds like a masochistic sadist relationship.) (students laugh)
R: None of this is going on. We’re talking about appearances. We’re talking about the I-thought. What appears to be. This is the reason why you’re supposed to follow the I-thought which is the root cause of everything. The so-called I-thought is the root cause of all existence and all the problems. Therefore when the I-Thought is destroyed and doesn’t exist anymore none of these questions, none of these things will exist at all. Everything will disappear. But when you work on getting rid of your ego by itself you have a fight on your hands. That is why get rid of the I-thought by following the I-thought to the heart center, to the source. And when the I-thought disappears everything else will go with it.
Glen (SG): Robert in one of our more recent transcriptions you mentioned, staying with the I or the me not necessarily even following it but just that, whatever that I or me is can you be a little more specific exactly how you stay with that. My interpretation is just the sense of my own actuality, just being there with that, nothing left over. Is that what you mean by staying there with the I or the me?
R: Not really, when you stay with the I or the me you are abiding in the I and you’re following it to the source. You do this by inquiring, “To whom does the I come?”
When you inquire, “To whom does the I come?” You are abiding in the I. (SG: So that is inquiry?) Yes. (SG: What about the state of just being, if that is fine until a thought comes up?) Then you go back to the beginning and inquire, “To whom does this thought come?” (SG: But if the thoughts don’t come up there is no sense of ruining a good thing like…) If no thoughts come up then you’re free. Remember all these methods are to quiet the mind. (SG: My understanding is that when you’re free thoughts can still come up?) No, thoughts will not come up. When thoughts come up then you’re not free.
Glen (SG): I thought that when you’re free that there is just, you know who you are and there are all these things coming up. Whether there is appearances and world also thoughts also. (R: No.) It doesn’t happen at all?
R: If they come up then you’re bound. (SH: The mind is permanently annihilated.) The mind is killed, destroyed.
Jorge (SR): Will what’s left know how to set the alarm tonight and wake up tomorrow? (laughter) And go to work and do all the things the old ego was doing before?
R: Something will do everything. (SR: Will it show up to work on time.) Of course, or even come earlier. (students laugh)
SB: He might show up at work but he won’t be there will he?
R: He’ll be home sleeping.
Jorge (SR): The best of both worlds.
Glen (SG): Robert this confuses me a little bit because… (student says SH: A little bit? (more laughter)
Glen (SG): I started thinking about this. Well I started testing my state like when a thought would come up or something like that and see how I responded to it and everything. So this - I’m not enlightened (laughs) - it was, you know thoughts were still coming up… (R: What’s the question?) The thing is, I was thinking about somebody’s description of after they became enlightened they thought that they were prior to everything. So when the thoughts would come up it wouldn’t interfere with anything. Because they knew it was a prior condition and all this…
R: There is no one left to know anything. In a realized person the knower, the known has been destroyed. There is no knower left, there is no known left, there is no knowing left, those conditions are all gone. There is no one to know anything. It just is.
Glen (SG): Is there a situation in which the mind becomes more and more quiet and then we’re realized? Or does…
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Absätze ohne Sprecherpräfix gehören dem zuletzt genannten Sprecher — so steht es im Buch, wo der Präfix nur den Anfang einer Rede markiert. Die Zuordnung ist eine Folgerung dieser Ausgabe. Namen in Klammern sind aus dem Text erschlossen: sicher belegt sind SM = Mary, SF = Fred, SJ = Jay, SC = Nate, wahrscheinlich SG = Glen, SR = Jorge. Alle anderen Kürzel bleiben stehen, weil der Beleg nicht trägt.